>> we have been talking about energy independence, sean, as long as i can remember and democratic and republican presidents haven't wanted to go there. it's too ease toy buy oil from the middle east, that's exactly what we've done and we've had a foreign policy. >> sean: why do i think the the people in the middle east think we're stupid? no, if i'm sitting there and they are he' paying me all this money and i'm a billionaire, a trillion-- thinking america has more gas energy resources than we do and they're buying from us. >> right, in many cases so many of these regimes in the middle east, to whom we give all of this money, by purchasing oil, turn that money around and support for terrorism. it's a vicious cycle. in the past, judy, that's been true, so many administrations decided it's been in america's interest to deal with these odious regimes. the difference now, we do have the shale gas and technology to get natural gas out of the ground. we're sitting on a ton of it, sean. the whole geopolitical dynamics can change in the world and united states can be energy independence and e